Sitting at lunch in Sucre, we told a handful of Bolivians we didn’t know about what we are doing. When we said that one of the questions that we ask every couple is “what is love?”, the high-powered Laila leant forward to me and replied, “Amor es Jesucristu”. She then went on to explain that once you can shrug off the dependence on human love and embrace divine love, unconditional and ever-giving, then and only then your life will feel complete.
Hmmm. Interesting. People don’t often volunteer a response to our questions without severe prompting. A little more inquiry on my part revealed that she passionately believes in Jesus, through her evangelical faith. She lives in Santa Cruz and runs one of the biggest TV stations in the country. She’s extremely nice, pious, and so Mike asked if we could come to her church service, and perhaps interview a couple from the church.
Right. So. First time I’ve been to church for a while. The Ministerio Jesucristu Luz de las Naciones meets every Sunday in the meeting room of one of Santa Cruz’s 5 star hotels. The service states that it starts at 10am. We scramble northwards to the venue for that time, only to find no sign of anyone. AT ALL. At 10.20am, Leila arrives with her gorgeous daughters and her sister, and the service kicks off at 10.30am. People are still arriving an hour and a half later. TIB (“This is Bolivia” – an acronym we have come to depend on).
The congregation is led by a couple who have been married for 26 years, Pastors Joaquin and Maria. Joaquin leads the singing to open the service. We sing around 10 songs in a row, repeating each of them as we finish it. It lasts about an hour. Funnily enough, it’s the first time I’ve been in church for a while, and interminable singing sessions used to undo me, but somehow I find it really easy to be part of. I don’t even notice the time. I just settle back, suspend all judgement – as is our way with Going the Distance, and let the love in the room wash over me. I’m singing along in no time.
Maria stands up to give the sermon, she mentions what we are doing and how delighted she is to welcome us to her church. She then talks about love, the importance of Jesus’s love over human love. She can recall verses of the Bible from the top of her head which are projected onto a screen for us all to follow. She’s an extremely good speaker, and I follow along even with my Spanish. The congregation loves her, the room by now full.
So we ask if we can interview the two of them. After a great lunch with Laila, we head to their flat. They are both good-looking and charismatic, and the interview is a good one.
They met at school, Joaquin was working as a barista (as well as being a student there) and said that when he first laid eyes on Maria, he just knew. It was as though a light was shining on her, it was a though God was pointing him in her direction, he says. He’s always been one for going after what he wants, and from the start, he wanted her. Maria’s friend fancied him, but he asked Maria to dance and they danced all night together. Apparently, the friend was ok with it.
They’re 16 at this point. They didn’t see each other again for the next 3 months. Maria thought about him a lot, but their paths didn’t cross. Then one night, her friend pulled her along to a sports evening thing. Joaquin’s friend dragged him out of bed to it too – no shower, no clean clothes. And they saw each other again. And they have been together ever since.
They dated for 5 years before getting married. I asked about the proposal, and Joaquin said that it was so inevitable (and so often discussed) that the question itself was no big deal.
They married, were happy for the first few years, then Maria said they got into a difficult patch. She was shy, insecure – and looked to him for support. Support which perhaps he couldn’t give her: she needed to love herself before she could love him. She realised there was a part of her that was missing, then one day, she felt God. He moved her and she realised that only with the love of God could she realise what life and love really meant, it wasn’t fair to look to Joaquim to fill those gaps.
The two of them are Evangelical pastors. Maria has been for a very long time, since that revelation, Joaquin was a helicopter pilot but has since given that up to be a pastor full time. Their services are dynamic and their congregation appreciative. We had lunch with two members of the congregation who rated Maria as one of the best in Bolivia.
Maria and Joaquin tell us that there is a huge difference between a ‘pact’ and a ‘contract’. A contract is a secular arrangement which binds people, a pact is something which you enter into with your heart and soul, in the eyes of God, for a lifetime. You have to work at making that pact work, but it’s far far better than being alone. Joaquim said that divorce is like gluing two bits of paper together with thick glue, leaving it for an hour or so, then trying to pull them apart: it’s messy and both sides lose something of themselves to the other. Jesus is love, and he should help any individual to overcome any difficulty in any relationship.
My friend Dan is always prodding me to commit my opinion and my judgement to ‘paper’ in this blog. Well, as I have assured him, that’s not the spirit of what we do. Also, there is something amazing about being in the presence of real belief – and real love. This couple have found a way to live happily, and more than that, they are sharing that belief with others, and spreading that happiness. As far as I know, it causes no harm to any other being, and the people who have felt the love, feel with their whole beings, their whole lives. Many of the congregation wept openly, including Maria herself, when they thought about Jesus dying on the cross selflessly, so that we could live. The couple asked us to open our hearts to Jesus at the end of the interview. We repeated Maria’s words to beckon him into our hearts. I’m not going Goddy on you, dear reader, but I’m very happy to share other people’s faith, other people’s passion, other people’s love. It’s a blessing that I can’t describe when couples open their hearts to welcome us in, and I feel endlessly lucky to be part of this mad adventure.